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5:03 pm ET November 28, 2017 (MarketWatch)
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By Wallace Witkowski, MarketWatch
Analyst says mining of digital currency is moving toward software-focused approach
Shares of chip makers Nvidia Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc. closed lower Tuesday after an analyst reiterated what the companies had already been telegraphing: The cryptocurrency-mining market for graphics chipsets, while legitimate, may not be as huge as some had anticipated.
Nvidia (NVDA) shares fell 1.6% to close at $210.71, after touching an intraday low of $208.24, while AMD (AMD) shares finished down 3.3% at $11.17, trading as low as $11 on the day, and swung to a year-to-date loss. For the year, Nvidia shares are up 97% while AMD shares are down 1.5%. In comparison, the PHLX Semiconductor Index is up nearly 46% and the S&P 500 index has gained more than 17% in 2017.
In a note released late Monday, Mizuho analyst Vijay Rakesh said the computing complexity for mining digital currency is creating a shift from a hardware-based approach, which can rely on graphics processing units, to a software-based approach, which requires large pools of miners or cloud-based mining with large application-specific integrated circuits. Rakesh has buy ratings on both Nvidia and AMD, with a $225 price target on Nvidia and a $17 price target on AMD.
"We believe that while the explosion of bitcoin and ethereum pricing has provided a [near-term] tailwind for Nvidia and AMD, we believe crypto-mining may be a significantly smaller driver in 2018," Rakesh said.
Read:Nvidia and AMD aren't at serious risk from crypto concerns, analysts say (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvidia-and-amd-arent-at-serious-risk-from-crypto-concerns-analysts-say-2017-09-11)
The price of one bitcoin has skyrocketed this year even as naysayers have called it a bubble (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-stock-still-volatile-despite-fresh-stability-in-chip-makers-business-2017-10-24). Bitcoin has come within a hair of $10,000 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-sets-new-record-sets-sights-on-10000-milestone-2017-11-26) and is up more than 750% for the year. Ether, the cryptocurrency running on the Etherium network that is credited more with the use of GPUs for mining, has bounded even stronger, skyrocketing 5,800% this year to trade around $470 a coin.
Over the year as cryptocurrencies like bitcoin and ether soared in value and graphics chips flew off the shelves and resold at premiums online, AMD has played down demand for its chipsets while Nvidia embraced it more.
See also: Nvidia is more bullish on cryptocurrency than AMD (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvidia-more-bullish-on-cryptocurrency-than-amd-2017-08-10)
But even Nvidia as of late has cooled in its enthusiasm. In its most recent earnings report, Nvidia Chief Executive Jensen Huang called crypto exposure a "small, but not zero, part of our business" after estimated revenue for chipsets used for mining fell by half to about $70 million in the third quarter from the second quarter.
Estimated graphics-card sales for crypto-mining only account for a tiny fraction of sales at AMD and Nvidia. Rakesh estimates those sales make up about 10% of revenue at AMD and about 6% at Nvidia.
"We believe increasing mining complexity in crypto-mining is driving mining away from CPUs/GPUs to farms and clouds of broad ASIC pools," Rakesh noted. "Given the volatility of crypto-mining trends, while there could be softness in 2018 we believe [long-term] it should be a positive for AMD and Nvidia, with a focus on core PC/NB and data center markets."
Don't miss: AMD stock still volatile, but company looking more stable (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-stock-still-volatile-despite-fresh-stability-in-chip-makers-business-2017-10-24)
The core focus for growth at Nvidia is not its mature graphics-card business but the AI-focused hardware it sells to data centers. Out of its $2.64 billion in revenue for the third quarter, Nvidia reported data center sales more than doubled to $501 million (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvidia-earnings-roar-past-street-estimates-but-shares-struggle-for-direction-2017-11-09). Meanwhile, AMD's enterprise sales for the most recent quarter were about flat year-over-year, at $824 million out of $1.64 billion in total revenue.
-Wallace Witkowski; 415-439-6400; AskNewswires@dowjones.com
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November 28, 2017 17:03 ET (22:03 GMT)
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- 11/29/2017 聊天室。可以任意发表评论,建议和聊天。也可以在这里提出关于股票的问题,为了方便大家容易集焦在当天股市的交易,其中重要的股票操作建议,会转到上面置顶区里。 - 新东, 2017-11-28
- 边盼气涨,边想胖胖。何以解忧,唯有胖胖。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 猪兄,早,彻底解套了吧。又要预备跳船了? - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 这次是真的快了。可能不会跳船,也许这次真的来行情了,怕错过了。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 要到年关了,今年的成绩就看这轮气了。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 是啊!等!!这两天感到我话又多了。其实让我闭嘴很简单,只要气跌倒2.9,我整天都不放一个屁。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 有本事你再跌啊!你跌啊! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 天呐,请赦免野猪吧, 已经把他从元帅降为洞主了。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 居然真跌了。没劲。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 唉,大家一起吹吧。把你们这些大吨位的连着气送上天吧。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
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- 唉,大家一起吹吧。把你们这些大吨位的连着气送上天吧。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 有本事你再跌啊!你跌啊! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 是啊!等!!这两天感到我话又多了。其实让我闭嘴很简单,只要气跌倒2.9,我整天都不放一个屁。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 要到年关了,今年的成绩就看这轮气了。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 这次是真的快了。可能不会跳船,也许这次真的来行情了,怕错过了。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 。 - 渔滩渡船, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢渡船夸奖!是学的Lily的文笔。气的走势甚合朕心,但胖胖的表现差强猪意。胖胖,你要再主动些哦。我看好你哦。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 不仔细读,还真没懂。高手讲话。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 你把雅歌老师的客栈变成后宫了 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 雅歌老师正在准备大板子 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 都怪你,雅歌老师四处找板子,忘记进栈了。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 好吧,我甘愿受雅歌老师的批评。但我真的感谢你,将后宫管理的井井有条。你就是传说中的现代甄嬛啊! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 甄嬛最后可是把皇帝给毒死了吃肉 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 瘆得慌,瘆得慌!好吧,解散后宫。换别的话题吧,胖胖,你请...... - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 我不走,要走也得带上你,快过年了,熊熊懂得 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 小青,你懂吗? - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 你怎么知道这个名字? - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 想知道?拿野生栗子来。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 你怎么知道这个名字? - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 小青,你懂吗? - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 我不走,要走也得带上你,快过年了,熊熊懂得 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 瘆得慌,瘆得慌!好吧,解散后宫。换别的话题吧,胖胖,你请...... - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 甄嬛最后可是把皇帝给毒死了吃肉 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 你们这群小屁孩,笑死俺啦。赚金币哈,我想雅歌老师也笑死了,好! - 天涯逍遥, 2017-11-29
- 是啊,我也笑坏了,就是没空给他/她们点赞,脑子都不够用了现在。真是佩服死老师了,能关注那么多股票和经济形势。 - LilyFisher, 2017-11-29
- 雅歌老师正在准备大板子 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢渡船夸奖!是学的Lily的文笔。气的走势甚合朕心,但胖胖的表现差强猪意。胖胖,你要再主动些哦。我看好你哦。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 昨天设U气9.86,没卖掉,这一大早就上$9.9x了,大喜 - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- 祝贺!祝贺!老师昨天说可能还会有更大的惊喜在后面。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 卖大米的如歌如水同学也还有不少的U气呢!祝贺! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 今天的气势既合猪意,也 - 如歌如水, 2017-11-29
- 主要是有老师在这撑着后腰 - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- +1,谢谢老师,特别像我这样的不爱学习盲流,跟着老师修行和抄同学们作业了。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 同学们,这U气飙上$10.XX了,如老师所料,你们说咋个办法?卖or买 - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- 俺设定 10.85 出场 - Inhale, 2017-11-29
- attention the risk when price went up - pennylover, 2017-11-29
- 比我有定力,我设$10.76 - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- 俺不能盯盘了,9.85全部出了,8.45进的,小仓,可以买一部华为了。谢谢老师,谢谢战友们 - Inhale, 2017-11-29
- 俺也犹豫,俺有$9.95的,目前虽然连着三天大涨,但俺也刚出水而已,如果能到10.8 一定出。还是不出洞和野猪一起取暖好吗?加一个老朽不介意吧? - 天涯逍遥, 2017-11-29
- 我这个果果,怎么这样呢?戴安娜王妃说过:我们的婚姻空间很小,容不下三个人的。洞里已经有胖胖了你还想进来干吗?你想干吗?我恨不得揪着你的耳朵问你呢! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 笑S - stone, 2017-11-29
- 半天没来,一不留神才发现自己已经被轰出盘丝洞了…… - 熊熊, 2017-11-29
- 自觉一点嘛,改天请你吃喜酒喜糖。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 笑死,眼泪直喷! - 天涯逍遥, 2017-11-29
- 野猪你看熊熊多委屈,这可是和你躺了8百多年的原配啊 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 胖胖,没事的,你分配饺子馅的时候照顾些就行了 - 熊熊, 2017-11-29
- 野猪不管你多久没洗澡 你的肉都有人惦记 - 胖胖, 2017-11-29
- 胖胖,没事的,你分配饺子馅的时候照顾些就行了 - 熊熊, 2017-11-29
- 看来逍遥果果有一颗金子般的花心。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 你这个野猪,有你太开心啦,俺一边笑一边在骂你哈,你就拿胖胖调侃吧,倒霉的胖胖。 - 天涯逍遥, 2017-11-29
- 雅歌老师在哪里,赶快找板子啊,野猪屁股痒该拍拍了。 - 天涯逍遥, 2017-11-29
- 今这两天气涨了,话多了一点。气一跌,野猪就去冬眠了。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 雅歌老师在哪里,赶快找板子啊,野猪屁股痒该拍拍了。 - 天涯逍遥, 2017-11-29
- 我这个果果,怎么这样呢?戴安娜王妃说过:我们的婚姻空间很小,容不下三个人的。洞里已经有胖胖了你还想进来干吗?你想干吗?我恨不得揪着你的耳朵问你呢! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 俺设定 10.85 出场 - Inhale, 2017-11-29
- 同学们,这U气飙上$10.XX了,如老师所料,你们说咋个办法?卖or买 - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- +1,谢谢老师,特别像我这样的不爱学习盲流,跟着老师修行和抄同学们作业了。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 卖大米的如歌如水同学也还有不少的U气呢!祝贺! - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 祝贺!祝贺!老师昨天说可能还会有更大的惊喜在后面。 - Boars, 2017-11-29
- 猪兄,早,彻底解套了吧。又要预备跳船了? - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 老师早!东东早!大家早! - 芳草茵茵, 2017-11-29
- 请教老师,UA已达12,又贪心了,多少可出? - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- UA12.05-12.15元就应该先卖,因为布林带的上限是12.08元。 - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 全出了,谢谢老师。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 全出了,谢谢老师! - stone, 2017-11-29
- UA的底部已经形成,未来1-2日若是跌回11.35-11.65元时可以买进做多!12/25日前,可以到12.5-13元!前提是企业减税要通过,不管是哪一个版本的都好! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 按老师讲的范围埋雷。 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- Thank you! - stone, 2017-11-29
- UA的底部已经形成,未来1-2日若是跌回11.35-11.65元时可以买进做多!12/25日前,可以到12.5-13元!前提是企业减税要通过,不管是哪一个版本的都好! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- UA12.05-12.15元就应该先卖,因为布林带的上限是12.08元。 - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 今天的中概股大多在大跌,为什么? - jenny, 2017-11-29
- 老师,JD可以加仓吗. - TigerDDO, 2017-11-29
- 同问。 - 顺其自然, 2017-11-29
- JD可以加仓,已在底部! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 再次谢谢老师的指导。 - 顺其自然, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢老师! - TigerDDO, 2017-11-29
- 老师,JD可以加仓吗. - TigerDDO, 2017-11-29
- 老师,问问BABA为啥子dip,是跟纳指,能买dip? - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- BABA的左肩和头部已形成,技术面利空,暂时不要买!等168-170元时再入场。 - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢 - 曼岛游人, 2017-11-29
- BABA的左肩和头部已形成,技术面利空,暂时不要买!等168-170元时再入场。 - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- NVDA终于下跌了! NVDA在Q3的季报里声称加密虚拟货币有关的影像卡销售量从上个季度的150M美元,下跌至75M美元,这不是完全正确的!这数据只是NVDA特殊为加密虚拟货币特制的卡GTX 1080G,可是在这个芯片还没出来时,中国大部分的挖矿机器,都是使用GTX 1080的其它版本,这数量是庞大的!中国政府禁止在中国交易Bitcoin,设定为非法!NVDA分别出来的500M美元Gaming的季度营收里,其实有很大的部分是过去(7,8,和9月上半个月)挖矿的需求!这就是为什么NVDIA的总裁预估Q4的营收其实与Q3差不多,在26亿美元上下2%!Q3的营收是26亿美元! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- UPDATE: Nvidia, AMD close lower as cryptocurrency miners' thirst for graphics chips doubted - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 当时市场没反应,NVDA反而上涨,是因为市场觉得加密虚拟货币有关的影像卡销售总额只占26亿美元的营收极小部分。这个新的芯片,如俺过去所说的,可能销售量降为接近零,是亏定了。也许只有日本的民众,和少数美国人会继续挖矿!过去Bitcoin的交易有85%在中国,挖矿的设备,可能超过1000万台!这些设备的NVDA影像卡会回流,流进2手市场,抢夺Gaming的市场。在NVDA来说是500M美元的季度营收的市场! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 老师好!大家好!NVDA今天大跌,老师能谈谈吗? 它这次能大概降到什么价位?谢谢. - 顺其自然, 2017-11-29
- 目标180元没变,有可能到160元! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢老师。 - 顺其自然, 2017-11-29
- 目标180元没变,有可能到160元! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 老师可以买V visa吗?今天跌了%4. - 红枫, 2017-11-29
- master card 也跌了5%。怎么回事? - 红枫, 2017-11-29
- PAYPAL(PYPL)也下跌了约5%。应该是Visa宣称接受DigitalPayment的原因。像APPL PAY, 中国的支付宝,其实会溶蚀Visa, masterCard 的联合垄断地位和盈利;部分盈利要与这些数位支付平台分享。暂时不要买! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢。 - 红枫, 2017-11-29
- 雅歌老师,请教,对SQ的评价。谢谢。 - spiderpig, 2017-11-30
- 今天零售业和航空股表现得很好,半导体板块开始下跌,未来要留意MM炒作板块的轮换。可能会抛售半导体产业,买进航空股和零售业板块。这两者今年分别是没涨和下跌。零售业整体反弹10%应该不为过,特别是税改通过,受惠最大的就是传统零售业。请注意!暂时不要再做空零售业板块! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 老師,那ual还能再高吗,,捂的有段时间了,想卖了 - 心想事成, 2017-11-29
- 老师是不是找机会机会把JCP捡回来 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- JCP今天可以在3.7-3.75元做空短炒1-3日,目标是3.35-3.5元。停损设3.8元! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢老师 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- JCP今天可以在3.7-3.75元做空短炒1-3日,目标是3.35-3.5元。停损设3.8元! - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 至少等64元以上再卖,现在才开始上涨初阶。 - 雅歌, 2017-11-29
- 谢谢老師。 - 心想事成, 2017-11-29
- 老师是不是找机会机会把JCP捡回来 - 牙牙, 2017-11-29
- 老師,那ual还能再高吗,,捂的有段时间了,想卖了 - 心想事成, 2017-11-29
- 老师昨天建议的short ROKU可惜借不到。td ameritrade ,fidelity都不行。 - 红枫, 2017-11-29
- 边盼气涨,边想胖胖。何以解忧,唯有胖胖。 - Boars, 2017-11-29